This is the Athletic Football Show's Football GM podcast.

Welcome everybody to the Football GM podcast.

Mike Sandow here along with the GM, Randy Mueller.

Good morning, Randy.

Good afternoon to everybody else. Good evening

whenever you're listening. How you doing? I'm doing awesome. Always good to be on the show every week.

I get fired up. It seems like the further we get into these playoff scenario type things,

it gets me fired up. So I'm ready to go for sure. And of course, the big news everyone's

talking about, the Heismanan trophy. I'm just kidding.

It's not what it used to be, is it? You know, it's sad. Yeah, it's not. It's kind of, it's kind of evolved

into a side show, really, of propaganda and, you know, colleges now start these Heisman runs for their players sometimes a year

early. I mean, and then we know what social media can do. And yeah, it's a popularity contest,

but you're right, it's not what it used to be. I did want to ask you, though, is Jaden Daniels is a

prohibitive favorite to win it. And Michael Pennix is second at a University of Washington, which is near

where we live. So I've watched Washington more than a lot of the other teams. I'm just curious

about him. We talked about Jaden Daniels last week, or maybe it was a week before, and you had him

right behind Caleb Williams among the quarterbacks coming out in the draft. What about Penix?

How do you see him as a pro before we get to all the NFL stuff going on? I was just

curious. Well, I think Pennix has had obviously a long career. People that listen to the podcast

probably know he started at Indiana. And the thing that concerns me most about him, well, there's two

things. One is he's been injured a lot.

And that factors into NFL evaluations. You're talking about two ACLs, a clavicle, a couple other

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