Welcome to For the Love Podcast with bestselling author, Jen Hatmaker.

Come on in and join us for a chat with Jen and friends about all the things we love.

Now here's Jen.

Hey everybody, welcome to the For the Love Podcast.

It's me, Jen Hatmaker.

I'm glad to have you today.

We're going to a really fun series called For the Love of Fall and Holidays.

Some of my tip top favorite things.

And so as we were thinking about who is, who loves fall as much as I do?

Like who's as bananas about football and tall boots and leaves on the ground as me?

And it was like immediately clear that we had to have my good friend Melanie shankle on.

If you already know Melanie, you already know that you're going to be like totally delighted during this interview.

She's so funny and so fun.

We've been friends for years and years and years.

So Melanie, she's a New York Times bestselling author.

So she's written, nobody's cuter than you, the antelope in the living room, sparkly green earrings.

And she's got a brand new budget that just came out called Charge of the Small Things.

I told her in the interview, I honestly think it's her best one.

I absolutely love it.

She's had the big mama blog for a decade, maybe even 11 years at this point.

And she's just built this amazing space for all this time where she is funny and she is tender.

And you, if you don't already follow and love Melanie, you're definitely going to want to after this, after you hear our long talk.

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