And So, I'm here with James Harris who's a writer he writes the stiff upper quick newsletter which I quite enjoy James and in various other publications

glad you could join us.

It's a total pleasure to do here. I hope you well.

Yeah, doing good. So we I came across the piece you wrote in

cap-X which is the publication of the Center for Policy Studies I think I'm

right in saying. Yeah I think I'm right and saying.

Yeah, I think tank.

And you write about politics and sport and culture

and comedy and enjoy the intersection of all those seems,

but particularly you wrote about how the sports

washing playbook has played out and some of your views on it.

And I think it's interesting to have voices from beyond just pure football fans like me who are saying no this doesn't work for us. So anyway, tell us about yourself and I feel like I've given you a long

introduction there. No, no, it's great. I love I love the long and it makes you feel quite distinguished, which quite distinguished which is rare.

No it's interesting because I do I do largely write about politics

and particularly because I find writing about politics quite tiring.

When I tend to come to someone else it tends to be about politics.

I write for CAPX quite regularly.

It is a policy think tank, center right think tank.

But I was surprised that the editor was so enthusiastic about the idea of a piece about sports

washing. And I think that's something which is probably quite relevant because football is really, really popular in this country.

I mean not just in this country, but it is a huge thing.

And one of the points I was trying to make in this piece was for a lot of football fans,

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