Thank you for downloading this program. In this edition of the bottom line, Evan Davis and guests from the food industry discuss supply chains.

Hello and welcome to the program. For the vast majority of us, food comes from a supermarket or over a counter or at a restaurant. It's easy to ignore the complex supply chain that delivered it there. Indeed, some cynics might say it's better not to look too closely if you want to enjoy the food.

But today, we take the top off the can and look inside the food industry.

And I have three industry leaders with me here, people responsible for curries, catering and custard.

And let's take a minute to meet the three.

We'll start with Gavin Darby,

Chief Executive of Premier Foods.

A very large food manufacturer here in the UK, Gavin.

A lot of brands in the stable.

Well, to some of them, we have Hovis, Mr Kipling.

Bistow, a very famous brand,

and OXO, Ambrosia is a dessert, custard and

dessert brand, and then some cooking sauces, Charwoods. What's the turnover, Premier Foods?

It's £1.5 billion. And it's mostly UK sourced food, isn't it? You most... It is. I mean,

we are a UK company. We make about 95% of our products. We manufacture them in

UK and we source about 80% of our ingredients and raw materials from the UK. And the brands

don't really travel, so you don't even license Bistow to other jurisdictions. I mean,

this is basically... Well, now you're getting ahead of my business strategy. Maybe. I've only been back in the company for five months or back in the industry. So, yeah, I'm sure there are opportunities. In fact, there's a growing export trade from brands, UK brands, to the rest of the world. Now, describe the factories to me. There was an old parody. Mr. Kippin is one of yours, isn't it? And there was an old parody. The ads used to say, we asked Mr. Kippling how he made his cakes and he couldn't tell us. And then there was a parody of the ad that was, we asked Mr. Kippling how he made his cakes. And he said he couldn't tell us because they were made in very large factories. And he didn't know much about it. But just describe a kind of a typical one of your facilities. Well, the really isn't a typical one. I'll give you two or three examples. Mr. Kipling and Cabrary cakes are made in three factories we have in England, which are cake bakeries. I could take you to a Hovis bakery. There are 10 of those. Distribute all around the England.

I could take you to a mill.

And just in terms of, if people walked around them, do they look like a car factory?

Is there sort of rusting oil coming off the machines everywhere?

Or are these spotlessly clean facilities where everyone's wearing...

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