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Now let's get started. Welcome Laura Kirby to the Autism, ADHD podcast.

Thank you. It's lovely to be here. Thank you for inviting me.

I am so glad that you're here, and I'm going to introduce you really quick.

Laura is a nerd, a virgin, adult, parent, and professional.

She has worked within the specialist education sector for over 21 years and is the

founder of positive assessment support and training and co-founder of Kite Therapeutic Learning Services.

Laura has a special interest in pathological demand avoidance is the author of the book,

The Educators Experience of Pathological Demand Avoidance is the author of the book The Educators Experience of Pathological Demand Avoidance, which is published by Jessica Kingsley Publishing and illustrated by Eliza Fricker.

She is now writing a guide for late diagnosed women with ADHD and the Teen's Guide to PDA.

And I can't wait to get my hands on that.

Yeah, there's a big gap for teenagers, actually.

Like all the books on PDA are very much aimed at either parents or like educators

or younger children.

There's nothing out there for teenagers.

So that's what I'm one of the books I'm working on at the moment. That is so exciting. So we'll have to have you come back on

the talk about. I'd love to do that. Yeah. Thank you. So Dr. Melissa Neff had come on to chat with us

about PDA. So those of you who are interested, definitely go back

and check out that episode. But today we are going to start out with what is PDA and what are

the signs. Okay. So as you've said, PDA stands for pathological demand avoidance and it is

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