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Hey, everybody, it's Joe Trippy and welcome back to that Trippy show with Alex Sashlow,

but this week, Alex's not here.

So we asked our friend Trigvy Olson to come back and share his perspective.

We mentioned this last week, but if you're looking for blame, look elsewhere.

We're focused on the future and what we learned from this cycle. We'll hit

the cabinet picks two. Trigvy, thanks for joining. My pleasure, Joe. It's always good to see you,

even when it's dark. Hey, you know, I wanted to talk to you first, though, about you really spent

a lot of time on the ground in Wisconsin in the lead up to this election.

You did a lot of research and looking at things there. What do you see that explains Tammy Baldwin

pulling it out, but Kamala underperforming Biden there? Give us some insight in how you think that

all happened and what mattered. Yeah, so Baldwin won by almost a point. I think it was 0.8 and Harris lost by basically 0.6. The ad that people talk about a lot is the Trump campaign was running an ad about trans with Harris, Kamala, on the tape. There wasn't a direct response to it. A lot of, you know, when I was out there for

the last 10 days, of course, you couldn't escape the ads anywhere you went. Turn on your phone,

turn on TV. They were bombing that ad in. About, I don't know, six weeks out, Hubdy shifted to

that. He spent, I think, I want to say, yeah, the Republican candidate for Senate.

At that point, Baldwin was leading by about five points.

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