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Useful Idiots with Katie Halper and Aaron Maté

Fmr. UNRWA Spox Refutes Israeli Smears

Useful Idiots with Katie Halper and Aaron Maté

Useful Idiots, LLC

News Commentary, Politics, News

4.64.5K Ratings

🗓️ 2 February 2024

⏱️ 83 minutes

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For $6 a month, become a Useful Idiot! Get extended interviews, Thursday Throwdowns, and bonus content at www.usefulidiotspodcast.com Watch this week's Thursday Throwdown: Morning Joe wants to play Battleship with Iran https://www.usefulidiotspodcast.com/p/morning-joe-wants-to-play-battleship?r=je5va&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web In early January, a former Israeli Foreign Ministry official said “It will be impossible to win the war if we do not destroy UNRWA. This destruction must begin immediately.” A few weeks later, UNRWA, the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees, had its funding cut after Israel accused 12 of its more than 30,000 employees of involvement in Oct. 7th (its since reduced the number of alleged offenders to six — half the original amount). Their purported evidence came mostly from “interrogations” of Palestinian prisoners — aka, most likely torture. The Biden administration admitted that it hadn’t corroborated Israel’s claims, but nonetheless announced a suspension of US funding for UNRWA. Other countries, including Germany and Canada, have followed suit. Former UNRWA spokesperson Chris Gunness joins the show to refute Israel’s claims. “Just as UNRWA is being held up to be accountable,” he says. “I think we have to hold the donors up to accountability and ask: ‘What did Israel give you?’ and ‘Did you independently verify it?’” Antony Blinken himself told the press: “We have not independently verified this evidence but we think it’s very credible.” Chris asks: “How would you know it’s credible if you haven’t independently investigated?” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu also called for ending the agency in yet another sign that the move was political. “UNRWA’s mission has to end,” he said. “UNRWA is self-perpetuating in its desire to keep alive the Palestinian refugee issue.” So the state which is lobbying thousands of munitions every day, including 2,000-pound bombs, is accusing an unarmed refugee agency of perpetuating the conflict? Chris argues that the opposite is true. “UNRWA wants nothing more than to go out of business. And UNRWA goes out of business when the refugees are granted full dignity, human development, prosperity, justice, and accountability in the context of a just and durable solution. Someone who is working hard to achieve this goal is the founder of HEAL and the Palestine Children’s Relief Fund Steve Sosebee. He shares stories of the many heroes and losses he has encountered in his thirty years working in Palestine. He also shares a way to help. “Just to see their entire lives destroyed is very, very saddening and I think all of us have a responsibility to help rebuild and show them love and compassion and give them opportunities to heal. That’s what my goal is for the rest of my life.” Hear these important voices share their messages in this unpaywalled Useful Idiots double header. Plus, catch this week’s Thursday Throwdown: Morning Joe wants to play Battleship with Iran 00:00 Intro 1:51 The Four Food Groups of News 22:43 Chris Gunness interview 25:12 UNRWA funding cut 35:44 Netanyahu wants UNRWA ended 45:06 Are the allegations true? 52:51 Steve Sosebee interview 55:08 Genocide of children 1:03:58 Story of Palestinian child 1:09:29 Israeli doctors call for more bombing 1:13:08 HOW TO HELP Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to useful idiots. I'm Katie helper.

0:08.0

And I'm Mary Matte. Hey everybody, thank you for joining us. Our website as always is Useful Idiots Podcast.com. Go there to support our show

0:16.8

and also get plenty of bonus content. Indeed and we have a great show for you as always and I guess we should get started with the four basic food groups right unless there's anything you'd like to share about your week Aaron

0:29.6

Afraid not pretty boring not yeah I have a little pop culture update okay sure yeah yes

0:36.7

so I don't get any kick back from this although I should but I've really been enjoying this show called In the Dark. It's old. It's not that recent. It's about a blind woman who solves mysteries and then gets involved in all sorts of hijinks.

0:54.0

And it's on Netflix.

0:56.0

And really the biggest appeal of it is that it has a really cute dog named Pretzel,

1:02.0

but Pretzel's not in it enough that's my big critique of it

1:05.8

sounds gripping it is yeah I want to find solving blind woman with a cute dog yeah I'll add that to my list of things I'll never ever watch, but have them on a list.

1:16.0

Yeah, it's like right there, every time I watch it, there's a line where I'm like, I cannot believe I'm watching something so corny and yet as Elizabeth Warren does I

1:27.4

persist. Well fair enough I haven't watched a show in a long time but I will make I will be making an

1:35.3

exception for curbing enthusiasm which returns very soon.

1:37.7

Interesting. Aside from that.

1:39.7

Yeah. Not the time for it but you got to watch some shows there and you have to have some things that you do that aren't based on the news or Twitter fights

1:48.6

Hard to imagine hard to imagine now

1:51.6

All right let's get to our four basic food groups.

1:53.7

For Democrats suck, we are going to turn to Nancy Pelosi.

1:58.5

Now if you watch this week's Monday morning, you would have seen, I think, one of our all-time favorite clips where Nancy Pelosi went

2:05.2

on CNN and declared that the people protesting her and other Democrats calling for a cease

2:11.3

fire in Gaza, aka an end to the genocide supported by the US, might be working for Vladimir Putin, and she also wants them investigated.

2:22.0

And there was an additional by the FBI and there was you know on top of this being like a deranged conspiracy theory

2:28.0

the additional irony is that Nancy Pelosi herself effectively is working for a foreign power because she like so many other politicians are

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