Welcome back to PodSafe, the world on Tommy Vittor.

I'm Ben Rhodes.

Ben, we got a lot to cover today on the show.

So, last week we talked a whole bunch about this crazy Venezuelan coup attempt.

So, today we got some political follow-up from that.

Then there's this ongoing administration attempt to undo the Mueller probe and punish

Trump's political enemies.

We're going to touch on some pieces of that.

There's an effort in Congress right now to expand domestic surveillance powers, got

some updates out of Russia and Afghanistan, and then more pieces of this constant ongoing

rhetorical fight between the U.S. and China over the coronavirus.

And then my interview today is with Patrick Radden-Keefe, who's the host of Wind of Change,

our brand new show.

And we're going to talk about the history of Cold War propaganda, what it's like trying

to put together a show like this when your interviews are with expires who are trained

to lie to you.

And when you're making reporting trips to places like Moscow, Ben, imagine being an American

reporter walking around Moscow, asking lots of questions about the CIA.

It's like, not a insignificant risk there.

So very, very cool, the way Patrick and the team reported this thing out, and they had

just an incredible show that everyone should check out on Spotify right now.

They have not.

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