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should come through and spend a couple hours here, because when you see how many components

are inside, how many hours and hours or sometimes days, just to put on a landing gear maybe,

I think there's a lot of value in people having that appreciation.

Welcome to the Fighter Pilot Podcast. I am your occasional host, Ken Katz,

call sign, prime time. Today, our guest is well-known to all Fighter Pilot Podcast listeners.

Welcome, Jello. Thanks, prime time. Yeah, you got the tables swapped on me here, huh?

Well, before we get to the interview, how did you and I end up on the opposite sides of the mic

for? Well, I think it's because you and I were chatting via what, text or email, and I said,

hey, Ken, I'm trying to have something come out every Monday now, and I don't really have

anything to you have anything, and you said no, but what if I interview you? Yeah, I thought you've

certainly have a lot of interesting stuff to say, and not all of it has been said, so I figured

that it'd be a good thing to do. Well, that is very true, and I'm glad to sit on this side of it,

and hopefully be able to relax. Usually, I have to think about what to say next, and where we're

going with the conversation, so I'm just going to crack open a cold one and let's go. Let's do it.

So what's doing in your life these days? Well, if you're listening to the show lately, Ken,

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