This is the John Fugel-Sang Podcast.

We are always so happy to have Ken at C. Davis join us here on the show. I would have Ken on every

week if I wasn't afraid of completely abusing his kindness. He's one of our favorite historians

and guests. He's a man who takes the event shaping our modern world and always gives them an

historical context always proves that current events are rarely current he is

the author of the don't know much about history book series in the shadow of liberty one of my favorite books ever about

slavery and many others including more deadly than war the hidden history of the

Spanish flu in World War I and his most recent strongman the rise of five

dictators and the fall of democracy

Memorial Day and Juneteenth are now behind us it's time for the third leg of

what Ken calls the triple crown of historic holidays. Kenneth C Davis, happy July 4th to you.

We are supposed to pursue happiness.

That's what the declaration tells us, John, it's right there.

Good evening, it's always a pleasure. Thank you. Although I have to be honest here and say that the

events of the past few weeks haven't having me feeling to, I don't know, sanguine optimistic about life, liberty, or certainly the pursuit

of happiness.

These are dark days for our republic, and I really surprise myself by saying that I used to always

be a person who loves history and talking about history and how wonderful bringing the insights from the past can be, but we are really, in the words of another song that you probably know, neck deep in the big muddy.

Yeah, I would agree i mean you know i began the show talking

about the anniversary of the bowers the hardwick ruling on the supreme court where

only thirty six years ago a court led by Byron White and

Ranquist and Sandra Day O'Connor criminalized private sexual activity, gay men.

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