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The Ben Shapiro Show

FLASHBACK: Balancing Faith & Reason w/ Matt Fradd

The Ben Shapiro Show

The Daily Wire

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4.4152.4K Ratings

🗓️ 8 October 2025

⏱️ 82 minutes

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Summary

Join Ben in the studio for an incredible conversation on what it means to balance faith and reason. Matt Fradd is a Catholic apologist and the host of the popular podcast, "Pints with Aquinas." Fradd is an eloquent defender of the Catholic faith and a champion of civil discourse around even the most contentious topics, from cultural analysis to religious philosophy. In this flashback episode, we dissect ideas like toxic skepticism, the West’s normalization of sin, what it means to be “free” and compare the ritual similarities between Catholicism and Judaism. Enjoy! - - - Today's Sponsor: PDS Debt - You’re 30 seconds away from being debt-free with PDS Debt. Get your free assessment and find the best option for you at https://PDSDebt.com/shapiro.  - - - Privacy Policy: https://www.dailywire.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Gidey and welcome to the Ben Shapiro show. I'm clearly not Ben Shapiro, so what am I doing here?

0:05.9

Well, Ben's away today, so he asked me to do an intro, and it's an intro for a conversation that him and I had about a year ago,

0:13.1

in which we spoke about God and faith and the problem of evil and arguments for and against the existence of God.

0:21.3

We spoke about Ben's Judaism.

0:23.6

And I think you'll really enjoy the show.

0:26.0

Thanks.

0:30.3

I think one of the reasons I get uptight when people point to my sinfulness is because I'm afraid.

0:40.0

Like I'm afraid I'm ultimately unlovable, that I am wretched at the end of the day and unsalvageable, as it were.

0:48.1

Let the Psalms speak continually as God as our refuge.

0:51.6

And so one thing I like to say as a Christian, because I think it's true,

0:54.7

is that Christ is the only refuge big enough for your poor and wretched heart. And you don't

1:01.3

need to apply your own meanness and narrow little heart to his. God is infinite in mercy.

1:08.1

And when your sin goes up against that, this is like a drop of water being

1:12.7

flicked into a raging furnace. Matt Frad is a Catholic apologist and the host of the popular

1:17.0

podcast Pints with Aquinas. Originally from Australia, Frat is an eloquent defender of Catholic

1:21.8

teachings and a champion of civil discourse around even the most contentious topics, ranging from

1:26.1

pornography to religious philosophy.

1:28.1

On his podcast, Fred often utilizes Thomas Aquinas' objection and response style of discussion

1:32.4

to break down complex religious subjects.

1:34.9

Fred's guests have included the Daily Wire's very own Michael Moles, Matt Walsh, and most recently, Jordan B. Peterson.

1:40.1

As an author, Frad combines his intellectual depth with a pastoral purpose.

1:43.3

In his 2018 book, The Porn Myth, he aims to discredit pornography through a non-religious lens. Whereas in his 2021 work, How to Be Happy, St. Thomas's secret to a good life, Fred seeks to cultivate a greater appreciation for the Catholic faith in our modern world. In today's episode, we dissect ideas like toxic skepticism, the West's normalization of sin, and the pragmatic application of Catholic principles.

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