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Long story, but it was a real profound, material way to show me that there is something else.

Wow, yeah, I mean, that's a tremendous story.

And again, there's definitely a certain level of trauma there, but, oh, there were many levels of trauma through. I didn't even go over that part, but yes, there was, yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, the thing is, it's tracking your story, there are several, you know, there are several things that are extremely consonant with the initiatic journey. So I would say that all the things that you described

are ways in which there are mile markers, there are commonalities, there are mechanisms which

gradually bring you down that same road, gradually bring the practitioner, the initiate

down the same road. I want to say this. In the beginning, you said, you know, you have that Catholic fear in you and stuff. And the first thing you did was like, you know, the name of Jesus proved to me you're not a demon. That magically, coming from years of experience, that was a very sound thing for you to do. Because the distance, and I want to make this very clear,

and I think I mentioned it on the last conversation we have,

the disadvantage that we have participating in three-dimensional reality

and embodies is being tied to the five senses.

And so when we learn to see things astrally,

there's no, and this is a very long tradition of this,

and going back as far as the Caldean oracles attributed to Zoroaster,

or really penned by the Giuliani in the second century CE,

there's a very long tradition that states this, you know, there's no guarantee that any of

these things are going to appear in any kind of form that is true, truly expressive of their

nature and their intentions.

So, you know, and that's not the Catholic in me. If anything, that's the golden

dawn magician in me because you're taught to test, test everything. So the fact that you did

that actually, even though it's kind of funny, you know, knowing as a Catholic and understanding,

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