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weekending Friday the 13th of September, riding in on a horse named Crisis. That's us. It says here.

What did we talk about, Matt? Well, we had the excellent Andy Cowper in,

who's, in my view, the best health specialist

in the country. What's the name of Andy's newsletter?

Cowper's Cut, which I'm going to sign up for based on the conversation.

There is no one better on health analysis than Andy. He's absolutely

brilliant, and we had a great conversation.

I mean, we had a conversation where brace yourself folks it's not like an easy little day trippy conversation. There's a lot of

detail. There's a lot of I mean all from Andy expertise. He really does. We're pursuing a policy now

which is quite rare in media. We're actually going to talk to people who know what

the hell they're talking about he really doesn't know what he's talking about and um i'm no

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