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Fixing the Internet with Jaron Lanier

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Scientist, Nasa, Neil Degrasse Tyson, Climate Science, Earth Science, Nature, Astronomy, Science, Multiverse, Spacetime, Astrophysicist, Space, Education, Cosmos, Astronomer, Startalk, Quantum Physics, Physics, Universe, Astrophysics, Star Talk

4.614.9K Ratings

🗓️ 15 May 2026

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

Is the internet too far gone or can we still fix it? Neil deGrasse Tyson, and co-hosts Negin Farsad and Gary O’Reilly, sit down with Jaron Lanier, Microsoft scientist, and father of virtual reality, to diagnose what went wrong with the web, how it’s changed with AI, and ideas for a new path back.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Nagine, were you appeased or terrified by that conversation we just had with one of the founders of all of this?

0:05.6

I was mostly terrified, and now every time I click on a managed cookies thing, I know who to be angry with?

0:13.2

Gary, how about you?

0:14.7

Comfortably numb.

0:15.8

Comfortably numb!

0:17.6

Coming up, one of the architects of the internet that is destroying civilization on StarTalk, special edition.

0:26.7

Welcome to StarTalk.

0:29.4

Your place in the universe where science and pop culture collide.

0:35.4

StarTalk begins right now.

0:39.8

This is StarTalk, special edition, which means I got Gary O'Reilly, co-host here. Gary, how are you doing, man?

0:46.9

I'm good, Neil. Over in London, though, so slightly remote.

0:51.5

Okay, only slightly. On the scale of the universe, you're right next door.

0:57.1

I also have with me, Nagin Farsad, Nigeen, welcome back to StarTalk. Hello, I'm so excited

1:01.9

to be back. It's been too long. I miss you. Absolutely. I have to say, you don't look a day over

1:07.6

the last time we talked about dark matter.

1:13.9

Let me figure out how old I would need to be for that.

1:14.6

You're a comedian.

1:17.6

You're also a tad fellow for social justice.

1:18.2

That's a thing?

1:22.7

I mean, I do comedy that tries to save the world.

1:23.4

Okay.

1:25.6

And it's worked, guys. That's why we live in utopia.

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