Hello, this is the Red Box Podcast, I'm Matt Chauley, we start another week. Thanks

so much for all of your texts and emails and messages last week, particularly you seem

to be enjoying the Sunday shows at 50. Last week we did the explosion in the early

naughties. This week we're bringing the story of Andrew Mars time on the Sunday sofa and

taking over from David Frost to his decision to quit last year. The highs in the lows

was interviewing Putin and Obama and particularly to quite test the exchanges with Gordon

Brown. That's coming up on the podcast on Friday. Today though, it's Monday, we kick off

today. We've got a brand new chief political commentator on Times Radio, regular listens

to the podcast will know her though very well. It is of course Lucy Fisher. She's back

at the Times and she's going to walk us through the five big things that we need to keep

an eye on in British politics, the events, the people, the trends. That's coming up on

the podcast in just a moment. First though, as ever we kick off with our columnist panel

and it's Monday, so it must be Libby Rachel, it's Libby Purvis and Rachel Vesta.

So Libby, let's talk about your column today and PNO. You've sort of got to say it's a

full-potted history of the history of PNO and how he went from putting a nice, not everyone's

favourite, furry company to everyone's least favourite, furry company. You even like

into a Ratnable, it is quite extraordinary how this firing, everyone in a high-wing

agency has just sort of hold them below the waterline. It was so crass, it was so crass

that Gerald Ratnable himself has sort of plaintive little things. I never did anything like

that. I just made a bad joke. But yeah, it struck me as interesting because it seemed

to be the extreme version of this business school idea that outsourcing is always a

good thing. You don't have people who are your own people, who know you, who are loyal

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