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that some listeners may find upsetting. In total, Laura and her team, which at this point included Kelly Bauter from the Indianapolis Conviction

Integrity Unit, made two trips to see Detective Alan Jones.

Three I guess actually if you count the pre-trip from Eric Mason the private investigator.

On the first real trip Jones had made the mother of all admissions,

that he hadn't turned over to prosecutors key evidence implicating another

potential suspect, Joseph Webster.

That key evidence, remember, included a handwritten note

indicating that a guy named Eddie,

aka Bow, had seen Looney shoot Casey Shane.

If you're like me you're thinking okay well pretty much a slam dunk.

Case closed.

I put it this way. We had enough to prove a Brady violation and maybe enough to overturn Leon's

conviction, but I would not say that it was a slam dunk because Leon had already put a lot of this evidence

in front of different courts over all these appeals and he'd lost.

I didn't feel like we could go back this last time without turning over every single stone and that meant finding out everything we could about Joseph Webster.

And you need to know more about Joseph Webster because the more you're able to introduce about his alleged culpability, the more you're able to point out the exact sort of things that a jury should have heard at Leon's trials in 1999 but didn't.

Yes and it wasn't just a karia Fulton's ID although that's really powerful.

Joseph Webster is all over that police file.

He was named as the killer by two different people who

called crime stoppers and they supplied other information that suggested that

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