We look at where we started, where we came from. Some people are like, that's a terrible story. Why do you tell it? We love it because it shows, look at how far we've come. Look at what God has done. Thank goodness we got help. We learned how to manage conflict and how to communicate better and to not throw laundry over the balcony near your wife.

And we just go, 33 years later, here we are

and look at what God has done.

That's Aaron Smalley describing how she and her husband Greg

has stuck together in marriage

despite some ups and downs in the relationship.

I'm John Fuller and we'll hear more of their story today

on Focus on the Family with Jim

Daily. Actually, we're going to hear several marriage stories today because Greg and Aaron

joined me and my wife, Gene, in the studio recently. We decided to have a roundtable discussion

about better ways to connect as a husband and a wife. It's always a little dangerous having

Gene join. I feel a little exposed.

She's the truth teller. She is a truth teller. The basis of this conversation was a book I wrote

with the help of Kenny Chapman. The title is The Healthy Marriage Devotional, 365 daily

inspirations to bring you closer together. And it was a lot of fun exploring different themes and stories about

marriage with Gene and Greg and Aaron. And I think every couple will find something helpful from this

program. Yeah, this is really a delightful conversation. And Greg and Aaron head up our marriage and family

content here at Focus and do a lot of writing and speaking and counseling on marriage

issues. By the way, if you'd like to learn more about that devotional, Jim mentioned,

we've got details for you in the show notes. Let's go ahead and hear that roundtable conversation

on today's Focus on the Family with Jim Daly.

So first we're going to talk about strengthening marriages.

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