First person: Leaving Russia to avoid war in Ukraine
On Point with Meghna Chakrabarti
WBUR
4.3 • 3.9K Ratings
🗓️ 25 October 2022
⏱️ 6 minutes
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Summary
Timothy Snyder says Russian President Vladimir Putin is vulnerable at home, as Russian men leave to avoid being sent to fight in Ukraine.
Dmitry Grigoriev is Russian man living in Georgia to avoid mobilization. He shares his story.
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| 0:19.8 | Hi, I'm Magna Chakrabardi and this is an on-point special drop in our podcast feed. |
| 0:24.5 | On our regular show today, we talked about the possible ways the war in Ukraine might end and we |
| 0:30.8 | did that with scholar Timothy Snyder. |
| 0:34.0 | Timothy Snyder has said that Russian President Vladimir Putin is vulnerable at home now as Russian |
| 0:39.8 | men flee to avoid being sent to fight in Ukraine. Well, that brought us to Dimitri Gregoriev. |
| 0:47.1 | I'm from Moscow and all my life I've lived in Moscow. |
| 0:51.5 | Dimitri is 25 years old but he's now living across the Russian border in Georgia. |
| 0:57.2 | He knew a lot of people who left Russia in the spring and last month he decided to check out |
| 1:02.3 | Georgia just in case he felt that he couldn't no longer stay in Russia himself. |
| 1:06.6 | And then Russia announced mobilization plans for young men like Dimitri. |
| 1:11.9 | My imposition was before the mobilization that I should stay in Russia and to take my |
| 1:20.6 | irresensibility for what's going on there. But the mobilization was the red line. |
| 1:27.8 | I just needed some free air of freedom to breathe in. You know, Russia became like |
| 1:33.5 | police and militarists, new government very quickly. |
| 1:37.2 | So what began as a short trip to Georgia for Dimitri has now lasted for more than a month, |
| 1:42.5 | a month where he has reflected on how his country got here and when he may be able to go home. |
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