Well, are you trading meme coins? Are you interested in meme coins?

Not really. I'm more interested in the fact that it seems like we're visibly out of this

fair market that has lasted for like two and a half years, which is good for everyone, right?

Regardless of whether it's manifesting in the shape of meme coins or not. But I think it's the

beginning of the next cycle, right? For sure. I'm really excited. Life is always so much better during a bull cycle.

Yeah.

I mean, there's tradeoffs, right?

Because now, like, in the bull cycle, you'll start to see so much noise.

Like, everybody thinks they're, like, the next, I don't know what.

Like, everybody can raise money.

So, like, the one thing I did appreciate about the bear is that like, it's legit people, right?

Francisco Augusti, welcome to First Mover.

Thanks a lot for having it. It's a pleasure to be here, then.

I invited Francisco to First Mover because we often talk about the challenges

facing users and getting mainstream adoption in this space, but we don't really talk about

the challenges facing developers. It's not easy to

build blockchain applications, and maybe that's why they're not easy to use. We're still in the

very early days of this technology. Smart contract development, scalability, fees, and interoperability

are all challenges being worked on by today's developers so that when and if a mainstream audience

is ready to use these products, it feels as easy to use them as it does to send an email or

open up Instagram.

App chains are becoming more and more popular.

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