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Welcome to the sports media podcast. I'm your host Richard Dyche. My producer's Patrick Antonetti.

This is a first look where we give you a little bit of a preview of an upcoming long-form podcast.

The guests today are Malika Andrews, who is the host of ESPN's NBA Countdown, NBA Today,

WABA Countdown and the NBA NBA draft, also doing some reporting now,

or back again on the sidelines.

She is joined by Chena Gumakeh, studio analyst for the NBA, WMBA, and Women's College Basketball, Free SPN.

You find her on obviously a lot of ESPN shows from NBA today to WNBA countdown, get up first take, sports center.

The full podcast will be out on Thursday, December 4th.

But in this clip, I asked both Malika and Cheney about agents.

They both have them.

They have high profile agents.

And what kind of advice they would give to young people about the value of an agent

if you want to be in sports broadcasting.

So here's our first look when Malika Andrews and Chenea Goumike, the full podcast will be out

on Thursday, December 4th.

People who listen to this podcast, like, especially if they're young and in the business,

they're interested, interestingly in things like agents and sort of like, you know,

how does, like, how does it, I'm sure you guys get this far more than I do, but, you know,

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