Lemonada.

This is Sarah Stewart Holland.

This is Beth Silvers.

You're listening to Pantsuit Politics today.

We are sharing a conversation Sarah had with Diana Carlin, author of Remember the First Ladies. Both of our most recent First Ladies, Jill Biden and Melania Trump, have taken very unique approaches to the role in very different ways. Sarah spoke with Diana about the history of the role and her perspective

on their choices. And we are delighted to share that conversation with you today. And then outside

of politics, this will probably generate more controversy than anything we've ever discussed.

Sarah, I can't wait. We're going to talk about our favorite Thanksgiving sides and desserts.

Let's do it. All right. We're getting to the end of the year.

And this is when we start thinking about our word for 20, 26. And I think the word. I'm not even

pick my own word because I just think this is the word for all of humanity and I want to lean

into that. And it is analog. We're doing things analog style. We're going to gather in person. We're going to get off our phones. We're going to knit. We're going to read books. We're going to have an analog bag. We might be getting up real cameras. I don't know. Just lots of analog. We are leaning into that word here, Pantsuit Politics. So next year, save the date,

August 27th through 29th, analog style. We're gathering in person for a live show in Minneapolis

and a first of its kind spice conference. We wanted to come to the Twin Cities for years and

years because so many of our listeners live there and we're finally making it happen. You were invited to join us on Saturday, August 29th for a live show and after party at the Hyattcentric. It will be high energy, thoughtful, and a fun live version of Pantsuit Politics. If you've ever been to one of our live shows, you know what a joyous, inspiring time it is. And if you haven't been before, this is your chance. But it's not just the live show. We are going to put together our first ever spice conference, which will be open to our premium members. We call our premium members the spice cabinet. Actually, we don't call them that. They name themselves that and we love it. The conference will kick off on Friday night, August 28th, with a welcome

party. Saturday before the live show will offer engaging sessions and fun activities and chances

to connect with other listeners from Minneapolis and across the country. And then to top it off,

we are offering an executive producer retreat as we did in Cincinnati. So executive producers

will come together on Thursday the 27th for a full extra day of activities. So much analog gathering,

happening, so many chances to touch and feel and be in person together and eat and have experiences

and make memories and meet new people. So please mark your calendars August 27th through 29th. We would love to spend

time with you face-to-face. Up next to my conversation with Diana Carlin. The holidays bring so much

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