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🗓️ 4 September 2025
⏱️ 45 minutes
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What should “public health in a free society” look like, and what limits should courts impose on executive trade powers? This week’s panel covers the shakeup at the CDC, asks whether America really needs a Surgeon General, and unpacks a blockbuster ruling from the Federal Circuit declaring most of President Trump’s global tariffs illegal.
Featuring Ryan Bourne, Gene Healy, Jeffrey A. Singer, & Scott Lincicome
Adam Thierer, “Breaking the Government’s Grip on the Medical Debate,” Cato at Liberty (August 28, 2025)
J.A. Singer, “Unnecessary Relics,” Policy Analysis (July 2025)
Thomas A. Berry, Brent Skorup, and Charles Brandt, “V.O.S. Selections, Inc. v. Trump,” Legal Briefs (July 8, 2025)
Brent Skorup, Ilya Somin, and Walter Olson, “Tariffs, Emergencies, and Presidential Power: A Conversation with Ilya Somin and Walter Olson,” Multimedia Event (May 27, 2025)
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| 0:00.0 | via feral cat colonies. |
| 0:04.7 | He wants, quote, capped crusaders at night to handle the New York City rats, which just |
| 0:11.0 | sounds like an absolutely awesome idea. |
| 0:14.8 | I am really hoping, you know, if we don't get government grocery stores in New York City, we instead get |
| 0:24.3 | the caped cat crusaders taking out all the rats. |
| 0:30.3 | Feral cats are better than state-owned supermarkets. |
| 0:33.7 | There you have it. |
| 0:37.0 | Welcome to the Cato podcast. |
| 0:39.2 | I'm Gene Healy, senior VP for Policy. |
| 0:42.1 | Here again with Ryan Bourne, Cato's R. Evan Sharp Chair for the Public Understanding of Economics. |
| 0:48.6 | Good to be back, Gene. |
| 0:50.4 | Also with us today are two Cato colleagues, Cato Senior Fellow and Health Policy Guru Dr. Jeff Singer. |
| 0:59.2 | Hello? |
| 1:00.1 | It should be noted that he's a real doctor, not like a Jill Biden doctor, a general surgeon in private practice for four decades, and he brings that experience to |
| 1:13.2 | unpacking health care policy. |
| 1:16.6 | Also joining us is Scott Lindzcombe, VP for General Economics and head of the Herbert |
| 1:23.2 | State Stifle Center for Trade Policy Studies. |
| 1:27.4 | Scott's a rarity in these circles, a libertarian with an upbeat and sunny disposition. |
| 1:34.5 | Even Donald Trump's full frontal assault on the foundations of global trade can't dampen his Labrador retriever energy. |
| 1:43.1 | Scott, thanks for joining us. |
| 1:45.4 | Thanks for having me, Gene. |
| 1:46.9 | I'm smiling for the people at home who can't see this. |
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