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Our Thing with Sammy The Bull

Fireside With The Underboss - “Even the Moths Wanted Out.” - An ADX Supermax Story

Our Thing with Sammy The Bull

Sammy "The Bull" Gravano

True Crime, History, Society & Culture

4.85.4K Ratings

🗓️ 27 May 2025

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Summary

In this raw and intimate episode, Sammy "The Bull" Gravano takes us back to his days in the infamous ADX Florence the so-called Alcatraz of the Rockies. Locked down 23 hours a day, surrounded by concrete and silence, a letter from his daughter becomes a lifeline. But it’s a surprise visitor, a moth, that sparks a moment of reflection that still haunts him to this day.What most would swat without a second thought, Sammy saw as a sign... a message that even in the darkest corners of the world, there’s still light, beauty, and something worth holding onto.This isn’t just a prison story. It’s a meditation on survival, sanity, and the small, unexpected moments that remind us we’re still human. Don’t miss this one.

Transcript

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0:00.0

She says, if they see that, I can't get loose from your grip,

0:05.0

they'll come in, they'll kill you.

0:07.0

They'll give you a beating you, you'll never forget.

0:10.0

Hey guys, you know, I was doing stories and sending it to some of the people

0:18.0

who are filming my scripted show and stuff like that.

0:22.5

And the story about when I was in the ADX Supermax, I did a lot of years, as you know, in the hole, six and a half years.

0:33.4

Now, in the beginning, the first year or two, I was in the hole, I mean, boredom is something that can completely drive you crazy.

0:44.2

After a long period of time, I was just reaching out for anything to keep my sanity.

0:51.7

I would walk around, we call it the ADX strut. I would walk in circles and

0:58.0

literally talk to myself. I was able sometimes to talk to a guy in a tool and cells that were

1:05.0

alongside of me. It was actually hard to do. And places are more soundproof.

1:11.6

It got so bad at one time there was a nurse.

1:14.6

She was a good looking woman.

1:16.6

She came to myself.

1:18.6

Now in my cell there's a door that opens up.

1:21.6

It's a sliding door.

1:23.6

There's a three foot space and then a row of bars.

1:31.7

They called that a safe zone for her to come in or people to come in.

1:37.3

I can't hurt them or do anything and they have a safe space.

1:42.8

So she came in and started talking to me about a letter that my daughter wrote.

1:45.8

She was reading it herself and she says, your daughter's a great writer. So I says, what did she write? She says, yeah, I'll give

1:53.0

it to you. I took the letter and I was reading the letter. I read the letter. My daughter

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