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Enjoy responsibly. Welcome in. Welcome into Fireside Chats. This is episode 16. B.

B. Nation and Bleeding Green Nation.

I am your host Michael Kist. Follow me on Twitter at Michael Kist NFL, that's K-I-S-T, and today on

fireside chats we are talking with the person that I trust most in the world with trench play evaluation. He is Brandon Thorne of

Establish the run and the trench warfare podcast. Thorne has been around the

best of the best, including his involvement with the yearly O.L.

mastermind summit that you may have heard about.

And we've also personally known each other for years as we've been connected through our work with the

Scouting Academy and our previous workplaces in this business.

He's the guy I reach out to when I have a question

about specific plays and I always know

he's going to give me a great detailed answer.

In fact, we've had Thorne on this feed a few times

and in prep for this show I actually went back to

our pre-draft special before the 2019 NFL draft where we were ranking our top

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