Hi everybody, I'm Dennis Prager and as you probably know by now, unless it's your first time, this is my fireside chat, my fire, my side, my dog and

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Former police officer in Tucson, Arizona, correct? That's right. You were in the Tucson police force. And you now produce your own video channel, your own video casts podcasts. You're creating a channel about auto is very excited, by the way, because he does not use to guests.

Usually just auto on myself, but he took a liking to you. Yeah, I like it. You do. I'll tell him. I'll tell him when he wakes up. I'll tell him. Anyway, you're doing really magnificent work, which is why I want more and more people to know about you.

So I'm curious whenever I meet a black conservative, I have a series of immediate questions. One is, how does your family react to you?

It's very interesting. You know, my mom, she loves what I do. My mom is a, she would consider herself a Trump supporter now listening to me, ran on my videos. My dad is, I'm working on him. I'm working on him a little bit. He seems to be going down the path to conservatism. He, he cannot stand President Trump at this point. So hopefully, you know, he come around. My immediate family, they're not really engaged in explaining to me whether they like what I do or not. So it's mostly just my mom. Oh, so you're not getting flack.

They don't say it to my face. Now I could only imagine that they might be getting flack but not to your face. I could only imagine that they don't like what I'm saying. Really just based on growing up, being told to be a Democrat. And I'm sure they all Democrat by default. And the things that I say kind of push against the narrative and push against some of the things that they still do. Some of the victimhood things that some people in my family still abide by. So I could imagine that they don't like what I, what I say sometimes, but they've never said it to my face.

Given how much good, let's talk pre COVID, given how much good has been achieved for blacks in America under President Trump, even if you hate his guts. Why doesn't will take the black community? Why doesn't a black ask, gee, have I done better under Trump or under Democrats or that for that matter Republicans before Donald Trump?

What stops a black from asking this most basic question? I think it's emotionalism, right? I think a lot of people are driven by emotions. So if they can't connect with these accomplishments that Trump has done emotionally, then they're not going to accept them as being factual or applicable to their lives.

So when you have celebrities come out and they say, well, no, he's a racist, that drives a person emotionally to feel some type of way about President Trump. And therefore they can't accept nothing that he does. It doesn't even matter what he does. They can't accept it. And Barack Obama in the community based on things that happen in the media, things from celebrities, like I mentioned before, I think Barack Obama captured a lot of black people's hearts. And so no matter what he did, even if it was bad, they still felt some type of way about life.

Like in President Barack Obama, therefore, accepting the things that he did.

So people will go with emotions before their own job. I believe that they will.

I believe so too. The power of emotion is very, very disconcerting part of the human condition.

Just I always go into some philosophical thought for a moment. Okay. So you grew up aware for word of Texas. And you moved to Tucson.

When I was 18, I was an all-American football player in high school. I got a scholarship to play football. And all over the country, I had a scholarship everywhere, but I decided to play at the University of Arizona.

Coach Mark Stubz was a coach that I liked. Coach Mike Stubz was his brother. They were grateful about coaches. I decided to go to Arizona.

And I left my family and became a man.

Did you ever think of trying to be an NFL player? Yeah, that was my dream. I knew I was going to the NFL. 100%. I knew I was going.

But then it fell apart. It's some point. Why? Well, some of it had to do with the fact that I wasn't mature.

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