Even asking questions about this ideology is potentially harmful.

At some point I decided to ask a question whether some actions inside of the company

complied with companies' policies about discrimination and I got reported for asking that.

Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster.

I'm Konstantin Kissen.

And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

What a brilliant guest we have for you today.

He is a former Google engineer who was fired by the company for challenging some of the

excesses of the company's diversity agenda.

Thorasker Berneck, welcome to Trigonometry.

Hello, Konstantin Francis. Happy to be here.

You are very kind. Brilliant. It was probably an overstatement, but I will try to live to that.

Yes, indeed. Well, your story is very interesting and I'm sure our audience will find it very

interesting given some of the things that you've been through.

Before we get into it, Taras, please tell everybody a little bit about what's your background?

Who are you? How are you? Where you are? What has been the journey through life that leads you to be sitting here talking to us?

Most of it probably is not related to the story.

I'm from Ukraine. I was born there, moved to Switzerland to work with Google at 2016, worked there for four years as a software engineer.

And unfortunately, it came to an end to with me trying to point out certain things that we're getting far from my perspective at the company and becoming damaging to the company's culture and probably the future.

And let's get into that right away. What was it that you were starting to become concerned about because having looked through some of the documents involved in your case?

I can see that you made repeated attempts in discussions and forums, in conversations internally at Google in response to various memos and diversity initiatives and all of that to challenge some of the things that were happening.

And you were told repeatedly that you were making other people unsafe, uncomfortable, you were being insensitive, you were told that by supporting Jordan Peterson's position on pronouns, you were making your fellow employees, quote unquote unsafe, etc.

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