leading Britain's conversation with James O'Brien.

Oh, it's four minutes after ten.

How are you doing today?

I hope you're well.

I hope you're ready for your weekend.

And I hope you're perhaps a little clearer than you might be on the simple question of what you are and are not permitted to do,

depending upon what tier you are in.

I want to begin, as promised yesterday, with the efforts by the Chancellor of the Exchequer yesterday

to plug some of the gaps in the sort of furlough 2.0, you'd call it, wouldn't you? The second furlowing schemes.

And I think it's good and bad. I really do fear that we are currently inhabiting a climate where

we've got a government led by men who seem to think that saying, oh, either we got

that wrong three months ago, we're going to do something different now, or you'd even be okay with

them saying, well, three months ago, this looked like the best idea, but it doesn't now, so we're

changing it. That in every other walk of life would be normal, right? It's as if you do the decorating at home without realizing that there's some damp there. And so three months after you've done the decorating, the damp comes through the new paint. And you're not just going to leave it there or pretend that the new paint looks lovely. You're going to have to get the damp-proofing and then redecorate again. And no one gets into trouble for that. Nobody gets, gets sacked for that. We can't get sack for anything in this government, but you're not, you're not going to get any complaints, I don't think, from the British public, if you explain everything properly. And I think Rishi Sunak made a decent fist of that yesterday.

I know every time I say that, there are three million, well, there aren't obviously three, not all listening to this.

That would be weird.

But there are three million people still, or an estimated three million people still understandably and quite rightly, deeply upset and deeply angered and aggrieved by the sense that they've been completely left alone and completely ignored. And one wonders the longer it goes on,

whether or not they have, as I feared quite early on, whether or not you'd been factored into

these calculations already, whether or not

the excluded, the forgotten, limited organisations had sort of been factored in as the ones that were

going to be left out of the safety net. Whether you needed it or not, the calculation was,

and goodness knows we've spoken to some people haven't we since this started who really it or not, the calculation was, and goodness knows we've spoken to some people, haven't we, since this started, who really needed it. But the calculation

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