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Just before we start, this episode contains some strong language and descriptions of violence.

So, since the start of this project, I've been wanting to track down Jack Van Tongren, the leader of the neo-Nazi gang.

For months, our team has been looking for clues that might help.

On him, it's very early there.

Yeah, it's still dark out here.

And then we get a break.

Okay, so on Friday, I spoke to A&M guy. Dune Karagic is our producer and she's found someone who used to be close to Jack.

He just volunteered a lot of info on the phone, like a lot.

Obviously, I don't know how true bits of it are.

He was one of the other members of the A&M.

He's still very, very racist and doesn't seem like he regrets anything he did at all.

Dunga says she asked him about an attack during the 80s that she'd heard about.

And he decided hysterically laughing.

He said, yeah, that was me.

This guy is the closest we've got to Jack so far.

And while he doesn't want to do an interview, it turns out he still talks to Jack sometimes.

They still seem to be, you know, fine and in touch.

Jack is 75 years old now.

So in my mind, he should be slowing down, maybe even

just chilling out a bit. But what Dunya says next kind of makes me worry. He said that he's

not alone. He says he's got a group of half a dozen blokes that live with him over the young

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