Hello everyone and welcome to talk nerdy. Today is Monday January 22nd

2024 and I'm the host of the show Kara Santa Maria. Can you believe it? We are already on episode 486 and you know I could not do this without you.

The only reason we've gotten this far is because you guys support the show each and every week.

That's the model.

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but very often we don't have ads because ads have been

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Thank you all so so much from the bottom of my heart.

All right, let's dive into this week's episode.

So this week I had the opportunity

to sit down with Monjala Martin.

She was the co-author with her father actually of a book called Fruit Trees for Every Garden,

which won the 2020 American Horticultural Society Book Award.

She's written non-fiction for a ton of different publications like the New Yorker, the cut, Pacific

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