Welcome to Think Bivocally, Conversations on Faith and Culture, a podcast from

Taub School Theology Biiola University.

I'm your host, Sean McDowell, Professor of Apologetics.

And I'm your co-host,

Scott Ray, Dean of Faculty, and Professor of Christian Ethics.

Today we're here with Doug Grotice,

who's a Professor of Philosophy at Denver Seminary,

and the author of multiple books books including the book we're talking

about today called Fire in the Streets. Doug it's great to have you on. Thanks for

joining us and for writing such a thoughtful book. Thank you.

I'm happy to be with you.

Well, let's jump right in because your book is provocatively titled Fire in the Streets.

What are you aiming to communicate and or capture with that title?

I'm really reflecting on the kind of ideology that set the country in some ways the world on fire

in 2020 after the death of George Floyd. So I was

considering race relations, a Christian approach to race, politics, society.

And I was like everyone, very troubled by what was happening that summer.

I spent most of it in Willow Alaska, so I was away from most of the protests and so on,

but my wife Kathleen and I really wanted if we should just whole up there indefinitely because it seemed like the whole country was up in flames either literally or metaphorically so it came to me that I needed to respond to this in light of my

Studies in light of my political views my Christian convictions and my desire for a peaceful and just society.

Doug you make the claim in your book kind of early on that the leading philosophy behind these protests

is critical race theory.

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