Hello everybody. Welcome back to the Fire Escape cast. It is our 84th episode. I'm your host,

Mike Mahardi. I am back. Thank you to Mark Minotti for filling in last episode. I had a

blast listening to it as an outsider of sorts because I was not here. Mary was particularly

vicious. I don't know why it took me not being here for her to unleash on Dan with such torrents

of rage, but we've kind of swapped because this episode, I am here, but Dan and Mary are both gone.

Dan is convalescing in Minneapolis after his surgeries.

He's doing his thing.

Mary is in Rotterdam for TwitchCon.

So she's over doing her European thing.

But fear not, I have brought on quite a fun cast tonight.

I have here Vinnie Caravella from Nextlander.

How's it going, Vinnie?

It's going great. Yeah, no, fear. Fear, fear all you want. You should be afraid. It's a terrifying presence. Me? Oh, yeah. You don't even know. When these- I always said you're scary. Right like 10 seconds before these cameras started rolling.

Holy cow should have heard it.

The swearing, the throwing around.

It's a mess behind all this stuff behind me. I just, because I ripped computer keyboards out. It was brandishing them. It was pretty rough. You're berating me. A lot of really personal stuff. Oh my gosh. It was really personal. I told you years ago that you brought back to the surface.

Just stuff that was just like personal and deep from like, even from your childhood, which was weird, which was weird. But I was there. Yeah, I don't know where you got that information. Dan. Yeah, that makes sense. And Barry. Yeah. That makes sense as well. And also here with us, another Fire Escape returning guest is Ben Hansen from Minmax.

Hello, thank you for having me.

This is my third or fourth episode, and I still haven't been on with Mary.

I just want a podcast with Mary.

Why won't you let me podcast with Mary?

I ask her if she keeps telling us not to let you.

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