Fiona Hill on the Working Class, Populism, and Russia

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

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4.7 • 963 Ratings

🗓️ 8 January 2022

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Fiona Hill is the former Senior Director for Europe and Russia of the National Security Council under President Trump and a key witness in his first impeachment trial. She is Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution. In her latest book, There Is Nothing For You Here: Finding Opportunity in the Twenty-First Century, she describes her journey from the post-industrial north of England to the world of academia at Harvard and the corridors of power in Washington, D.C. In this week’s conversation, Fiona Hill and Yascha Mounk discuss the resonance of populism for working class voters, remaining true to principle in the Trump administration, and the future of Great Power conflict. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: podcast@persuasion.community Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John Taylor Williams, and Brendan Ruberry Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:29.2	Bowers, Goney Trump and Boris Johnson are extremely good retail politicians.
0:34.8	So they're tapping into the grievances, they're tunneling them, they're telling people they're
0:37.8	going to fix them, but there's an entertainment quality that I think we can't underestimate.
0:42.3	And part of that is kind of like a Breton
0:44.1	Circus's approach. One of the things that I feel like when you're agreed and
0:48.0	wall is not going in your direction having some distraction, some entertainment,
0:52.4	you know people were really into soccer and other kind of pastimes to distract themselves,
0:58.0	to divert themselves.
0:59.0	In a way, they're feeding into that as well.
1:02.0	They're providing entertainment, you well. They're providing entertainment.
1:03.0	You know, you're on their team, you're on their side,
1:05.0	they're going to be the champion for you.
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