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Hey y'all, today's conversation on Back Porch Theology is part two.

So if you haven't listened to last week's conversation with our dear friend Catherine Wolf,

I encourage you to do so, or this one will kind of be like a Reese's peanut

butter cup without the peanut butter? I mean, the chocolate by itself is awesome, but the peanut

butter makes it even better. Now, before we dive in, I'd like to read a brief excerpt from

Catherine's latest book titled Treasures in the Dark. She wrote this. David taught me that laughter and worship aren't so

different. In fact, they are simply two of the shapes that hope takes. Both laughter and worship

are most powerful when offered from full brokenness of body or of circumstance. Sure, it's great to celebrate and praise God

when life is good, but hooping with laughter when you can hardly speak, or raising your hands in

worship from the seat of a wheelchair. Now that's evidence of a soul who has found transcending

security and joy in divine love. Suffering can harden us to the

great things in life, where it can open us up to receive them with abandon. We're about to get real

and raw about how to hang on to real hope when you're in the middle of real hurt. So much so that we want you to know

that we delved into some sensitive subject matter today. So be aware of that before you listen

to the rest of this episode. This is one that I would encourage you to make sure the littles

aren't listening. And then please grab a yummy beverage and a serious kind of snack like

chips and casso or a peanut butter honey and banana sandwich trust me when I tell you

that celery sticks or veggie straws are not going to give you the sustenance

you need today and then of course grab your Bible if you've got one and welcome

to the porch we are so glad you're hanging out with us today.

Hey, hey.

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