You're listening to the Allender Center podcast with Dr. Dan Allender. This week, Dan is

joined by Lori Proctor, who has completed the training certificate and externship program with the

Allender Center and is the co-founder of So That, an organization that helps others find hope and freedom in their personal

and professional lives.

Dan and Laurie talk about her journey with the Allender Center and about how it sparked

a new vision for what it means to live into her calling.

One of the great joys of my career, whatever I might call my calling, has been to work in what's called our certificate program.

And the certificate program is a four-week over about an eight-month period of time of reflection on trauma and abuse.

And we take people through an initial experience of their tragedy story, then we enter them

into their family of origin, we deal with sexual development, and we deal with the issue

of their unique calling, all the time attempting to address some of the core

issues that need to be addressed, not only in their lives, but in the lives of those they'll care

for as they address matters of trauma and abuse. And one of the things I have wanted to do

for a long season is to highlight some of the people

that I have met through this process.

And we have had, oh my gosh, a remarkable group of people wander and intend to walk

through this experience.

And I have the privilege of being with a dear friend, but also one who went through

some of our earlier work, Lori Proctor.

And so, Lori, thank you so much for joining me to talk about you and to talk about how the

certificate process shaped and influenced some of your work in life,

but particularly what we want to eventually come to is to talk about your work.

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