Welcome to the dispatch podcast. I'm your host, Sarah Isger joined this week by Chris

Steyerwalt. And we are talking to Patrick Rafini, the co-founder of echelon insights, the

polling firm. You may know of Kristen Sultis Anderson. But if you don't follow Patrick Rafini

on Twitter and get his newsletter, which you can sign up for on his Twitter account,

by the way, then you are missing. I would say more than half of the the genius output

of echelon insights. I was telling Patrick right before we started, this is the one newsletter

that I read start to finish every single volume episode. What are what are newsletters called?

Anyway, we will talk to Patrick today about their latest poll, which was really fascinating.

Let's dive right in. Patrick, thank you so much for joining us.

Thank you, Sarah. I'm really excited about this to introduce sort of a broader concept

than to how we think of the American electorate, especially walking into the midterms and

2024, which is just going to prove to be a show made of feces. So I was hoping that you

could walk us through this poll that you put together the four quadrants of American voters.

So what we set out to do here was to find the ideological center of gravity in American

politics. And what we found specifically, when you ask a series of questions that are

focused on the one hand, on cultural issues, everything from abortion to guns to as America

the greatest country in the world, and economic questions, everything from is there too much

inequality is the government too big or too small. When you ask all of those questions,

what we find is the center of gravity is to the right on cultural questions and slightly

to the left on economic questions. Specifically, when we add up all the questions, we find

the American electorate is 56% culturally conservative, 44% culturally liberal, and

52% economically liberal and 48% economically conservative. Now, I think from a broader

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