Finding simplicity and radical acceptance through animal sexuality
NPR's Book of the Day
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🗓️ 23 June 2022
⏱️ 10 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, it's NPR's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbong. Okay, so one of the more common bad faith |
| 0:07.2 | arguments I've heard from homophobes is that same-sex relationships are not natural, you know, |
| 0:12.9 | that it doesn't happen in the animal kingdom as if we should be taking our cues for running |
| 0:18.5 | society solely based off what animals do. |
| 0:24.4 | But it's also like patently untrue, right? |
| 0:28.2 | Animals are out here having all sorts of sex just like the rest of us. |
| 0:32.1 | Those relationships are at the core of Elliot Schrafer's new book. |
| 0:36.7 | It's called Queer Ducks and Other Animals, the Natural World of Animals Sexuality. |
| 0:41.5 | And there's a part in this interview where he tells NPR Sasha Pfeiffer that studying this actually moved him, you know, that there was almost a radical level of acceptance found |
| 0:46.4 | in nature. |
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| 1:11.9 | At its worst, a nonfiction science book about animal sexuality could read like a dry biology textbook. |
| 1:19.5 | But that's not the kind of book Elliot Schrafer wrote. |
| 1:22.6 | His book, called Queer Ducks and Other Animals, The Natural World of Animal Sexuality, is designed to be |
| 1:29.0 | teenager-friendly, for one thing. It's a young adult book filled with comics and humor and accessible |
| 1:34.6 | science, and it's filled with research on the diversity of sexual behavior in the animal world. |
| 1:40.3 | Elliot Trafer is with us to explain more. Welcome, Elliot. Hi, I'm really happy to be here. |
| 1:44.4 | We're glad to have you. I really like the way you structured your book. It's basically an animal per chapter in a way. |
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