This is Paul Adamson and welcome to In Conversation, the regular podcast of my online magazine InCompass.

I chat informally with personalities from a wide variety of backgrounds on a wide variety of subjects.

If you like this podcast, you can go to the magazine's website, Encompass-Europe.com,

or any of the main platforms for free access to all the podcast to date. I hope you enjoy this

conversation. My guest is Fiona Hill.

Fiona Hill is the Robert Bush Senior Fellow at the Center on the United States and Europe

in the foreign policy program at Brookings.

She recently served as deputy assistant to the president and senior director for European

and Russian Affairs on the National Security Council from 2017 to 2019.

She is the author of a new book. There is nothing for you here, finding opportunity in the 21st century.

My welcome to the podcast, Fiona, first of all.

Thanks, Paul. It's great to be with you.

Right. So my first question is, how do you actually define and classify this book?

I feel sorry for the booksellers.

They get this book in a big box and on which shelf do they put it.

It's a memoir.

It's a very personal memoir.

It's a study on discrimination and prejudice and inequality.

It's a foreign and security policy study because you are a public intellectual.

So how would you describe your book?

Well, actually, I'd like to describe it in all those terms because then booksellers can put it in multiple different spots around the show, right? You know, in Amazon, actually,

I've, you know, I've seen it classified under all kinds of things, US leadership, women's studies,

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