Hello, everybody. Welcome to Three Point Perspectives, the podcast about illustration, how to do it,

how to make a living at it, and how to make an impact in the world with your art. I'm Jake Parker.

And Lee White is not here, but we do have Benjamin Shipper today. All three of us, excluding Ben, because I don't know about how many books he's published.

We've all published 75 children's books.

We've worked with all the major publishers in the business, and we've all taught

illustration at university art schools.

Yeah, very good.

Each week, I'm just going to skip Lee's section. You guys have, you guys have heard before.

Well, sometimes we argue is what he usually says, but we don't really argue that much.

No, Lee argues. He's usually wrong, and that's the thing he should say in his part.

Right. Sometimes we argue, I'm usually wrong and oftentimes Jacob Will are right.

That's what we'll do. No, Lee White is on assignment. His assignment is to enjoy the beautiful, natural environment of the Grand Teton's. And he's up in Idaho, just living his life, his best life, and doing some, he's sending us

texts, photos of his campsite, and you'd think they were, like, these are just from his iPhone,

but you'd think they were like professional photography done, you know, on these, well, it's a

magnificent location.

I'm just a long way for me to say it's too beautiful there.

If you're on YouTube, you can see it from my phone.

This is just, it's just incredible.

So we're not jealous of them, not at all.

No, no, because we like it when it's 112 incredible. So we're not jealous of them. Not at all. No,

because we like it when it's 112 here.

Yeah.

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