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Hope comes when there's a plan. So we're just going to every day we're going to build a plan. Every day I'm going to feel a little more hope because I'm building a plan.

That's Dr. Gregory Jans sharing insights about depression and how you can find recovery and even joy after going through depression.

And he's with us again today on Focus on the Family. Thanks for joining us. Your host is Focus President and Dr. Jim Daly and I'm John Fuller.

John, I think listening last time, what really struck me, Dr. Jans mentioned that one in four people in this country, I'm not sure about Canada and some of the other countries we air in, but here in the US, one in four people suffer from depression.

That's a lot of people. I mean, that's, if you look at it, it's going to be over 80 million people. And so either we will be suffering from it ourselves or someone in our family or someone very close to us or many people in our circle of influence.

So our purpose here today on day two is to continue the discussion with Dr. Jans give you more firepower in battling with this issue of depression yourself or equipping somebody to get help and to do better.

That's the whole goal here at Focus and we want to walk in that journey with you. So get a hold of us. Don't suffer in silence. We're here.

We want to help our generous donors have supplied enough resource to allow a counseling area. We've got, you know, 20, 22 counselors and they can give you a call back and talk with you about where you're at your story, pray with you and provide additional resources to help you.

So I'm looking forward to today's conversation.

Yeah, it's going to be good. And we're just a phone call away. Our number is 800 a family or stop by the website where you can learn more about the book from Dr. Gregory Jans called Healing Depression for Life and the details are in the program notes.

Let me note that Dr. Jans is the founder of the Center, a place of hope in Edmunds Washington. It's been recognized as a top 10 facility in the US for the treatment of depression.

Dr. Jans, welcome back. So good.

On this topic, I'm so glad you mentioned the counselors right up front because today can be the day that a person reaches out for themselves or for a loved one.

And that's really what I want inspired today. Take some action. Yeah, which is so good. And even for the Christians, you know, in that space, let's start there.

There can be a lot of guilt being a Christian and suffering with depression because you can't figure out why if God loves me, why do I have this? Why aren't I hold? Why aren't I healed?

You may have that in your mind. Why should be living the victorious life? And yet I'm struggling. Yeah.

Well, we have some good examples and scriptures of those who struggled. So the struggle is is real, but it's nothing new.

So, but right now we are seeing record numbers of individuals seeking help for depression like we've never seen before.

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