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Hello, everybody. Welcome to The Untold Story. I'm Martha McCallum, and I have been looking forward to this podcast for a very long time because today I'm joined by the CEO of Hallow, which is the number one prayer app in the country and in the world, I think.

Alex Jones is the founder with two of his fellow Notre Dame graduates, and then he went to Stanford, and then he got a big job at McKinsey and Company, and then something sort of changed

in his life and in what he

wanted to do. So Alex, welcome. Great to have you with us. Thanks so much for having me as an honor.

So Alex, you know, something struck me in an essay that you wrote about your life and how you felt before you went on this journey.

I'm just going to read a little bit of it.

You say, it was a relatively dark and empty time in my life.

There was nothing terribly depressing or evil.

I just carried a vague feeling of emptiness and anxiety.

I found myself being mean to people I loved.

Caught in feelings of jealousy, anxiety, lust, insecurity.

I struggled to have any real motivation or purpose.

I think all of us have felt that way at times.

So explain to us how you got from there to where you are now with Hallow.

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