I think for much of my life I thought that pain and joy were mutually exclusive, that you couldn't hold both in your heart at the same time.

But as I've gotten older, I've noticed that there's something beautiful about the highs and the lows intertwining.

And Cubby and I sought God and each other and found comfort right there in the messy middle.

That's Rebecca St. James describing how she's learned to trust God with her dreams, her future, her present.

Welcome to Focus on the Family with Jim Daly.

Rebecca and her husband Covey have joined us in the studio and they're going to share their journey with God.

And as a couple with us, your host is Focus President and author Jim Daly and I'm John Fuller.

John, I think trusting God in the messy middle is life, right?

If we attach our emotional wellness to highs and lows, we're in trouble.

I mean, God's present with us always in the highs and in the

lows. And I think the irony is we learn more about ourselves in the lows, like what we're

deficient at, where we need help. Have you had that experience? Just recently like today.

So that's why this is such a great story with Rebecca and her husband Cubby, and we're going

to cover their love story, which is always good.

So this is nice to kick back, get a cup of tea, cup of coffee, sit and listen together

because it, I think, will rekindle even your own journey in marriage.

Yeah, there's something here for all of us, no matter where you are with

regard to marriage. Maybe you haven't even gotten married yet, or maybe it's been decades.

You're going to learn from Rebecca and Cubby. Rebecca is an award-winning singer-songwriter,

an actress, author of more than a dozen books. We're pleased to have her here, Jim,

because she's here to do some work on

Practice Makes Parent, a focus on the family podcast with Dr. Danny Werta. I think it's a great

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