It's a funny thing how memory works that sometimes you can remember the exact location

where you were when you had a certain conversation right and I am there right now. It is the corner of 8 and highway 24 here in town. I'm in Brent's Jeep and the two of us, this is like 19, golly, 95.

Right. And the two of us are having a conversation that felt so significant to me. It was very, very simple.

But what we were reflecting on as therapists, people that were coming through our practice,

and kind of what was going on in the world and what we were

seeing in people's lives. We said to each other you know what in the coming

moment for the church people are going to need two things they're going to need an

understanding of spiritual warfare and they're going to need a theology of

suffering that was it it was simple and then we turn so the light turns green and you know we pull on a 24

but like there was something about that yeah that just felt like it really was

prophetic for what was coming that as

Ransom Heart was birthed and born and as we've kind of helped people navigate

into life and life with God. So friends, welcome to the Ransom Heart

podcast, John Eldridge here in the studio this week

with Stacy Burton on our team and Bart Hanson.

You've heard the series on spiritual warfare,

or at least we teed it up earlier in April and May here.

If you didn't hear it, it was kind of the first answer to that conversation, but we're actually looping around to the second part of that and we want to talk about

Suffering and we want to be transparent with our own personal suffering and we want to talk about the struggles of it and how

we understand it in the context of scripture and most importantly we want to talk about

where's God and how to find God in the midst of

suffering and so some of our listeners have been to events that we've held or

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