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Finding fraud in a world of fast-moving deals

Equity

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🗓️ 29 September 2021

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

Hello and welcome back to Equity, TechCrunch’s venture-capital-focused podcast, where we unpack the numbers behind the headlines. We got the crew together — Natasha and Danny and Alex — this time 'round to talk fraud, one of our favorite topics. Sure, we've riffed on the ups and downs at Luckin, and we've spent more time talking about WeWork's implosion than we want to admit. But that's not the most recent stuff. There's been a raft of fraud lately which caught our eye. The heart of today's episode is a question about fraud, and what more of it might mean: Does more fraud indicate that we're in a growing bubble, or that we're in the later-stages of a bubble about to burst? Here's what we got into to help us understand our question: OpenSea admits incident as top exec is accused of trading NFTs on insider information -- NFTs are good fun until the market for them is bent in the favor of insiders! Goldman Sachs, Ozy Media and a $40 Million Conference Call Gone Wrong -- How to not get money from Goldman Sachs and possibly sink your company at the same time! App Annie and co-founder charged with securities fraud, will pay $10M+ settlement -- If you tell your customers that you won't use their data in a particular manner, and then you do, and possibly commit something akin to securities fraud at the same time, what happens? This! Turning to historical examples, we also brought up Nikola and Luckin and Theranos to help us draw a line around what its fraud, and what is not. With definitions out of the way, we ended this episode by trying to answer our complex, core question. We won't spoil the eventual conclusion, but here's a hint: checks are flying fast into startups with minimal due diligence, and it looks like there's much more money is coming. Credits: Equity is produced by Theresa Loconsolo with editing by Kell. Bryce Durbin is our Illustrator. We'd also like to thank the audience development team and Henry Pickavet, who manages TechCrunch audio products. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome back to Equity Tech Runchesches Venture Capital Focus Podcast, where we unpack the fraud behind the headlines.

0:16.4

My name is Alex Wilhelm and I'm joined today by my absolute best friends. I have Natasha here,

0:20.4

Natasha, how are you? I'm doing great.

0:23.0

It is pumpkin season.

0:24.0

So I'm thriving.

0:25.0

How many PSLs have you had in the last, say, 36 hours?

0:28.0

Zero, but Trader Joe's has a really good pumpkin oat beverage.

0:32.0

I like them. You know whenever I drink something I like to be called

0:35.4

beverage. Like whenever I go to dinner I ask for food items you know? Danny you're

0:40.7

here too. Are you a food item pumpkin fan?

0:43.0

No, I had a lot of organic food this weekend.

0:45.0

I always love eating those foods that are like,

0:47.0

cheese product. And I'm like, does that mean it's cheese?

0:50.0

No.

0:51.0

Because product, it means it's not the thing.

0:53.0

And by the way, by organic foods,

0:54.5

Danny drink a lot of French wine over the weekend,

0:56.4

which is technically organic, and technically have food.

0:58.6

It was actually not only organic, it was biodynamic.

1:01.2

Oh, God.

1:02.0

Apparently, the vineyard I was on has its own lambs or

1:04.9

sheep that poop all over the vineyard to fertilize in a cycle of life thing.

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