Thank you for joining us for episode 503 of Live Happy Now.

Last week, we talked about polarization and what's driving it, and this week, we're

here to find some common ground.

I'm your host, Paula Phelps, and today I'm happy to be sitting down again with Kurt Gray,

a professor in psychology and neuroscience

at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and author of the new book, Outrage,

Why We Fight About Morality and Politics and How to Find Common Ground. In this episode, Kurt walks us

through the steps for learning to create more civil dialogue, explains the role that empathy plays in overcoming

our outrage, and explains why we actually need people who don't think the same way we do.

Let's have a listen.

Kurt, welcome back to Live Happy Now.

Thanks for having me again.

Oh, my gosh.

What a great conversation we're having.

I love this.

It's so important for us to understand where we're coming from with our outrage and our divides. And, you know, last time we talked about your book's subtitle, which begins why we fight about morality and politics. And today we want to talk about the rest of that subtitle, which is that ever important and how to find common ground.

So, you know, I would argue that most people do want to find common ground. We don't want to be

divided. We don't want to keep fighting with each other. But in my experience, a lot of times that

common ground is actually the idea that the other person is going to come around to our way of thinking. So that's not truly common ground is actually the idea that the other person is going to come around to our way of

thinking. So that's not truly common ground. So how do we get past that and really start to

heal these relationships that have been fractured, get over this divide, and start finding common ground?

Yeah, such an important question. And as you say, so many people

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