When his wife became pregnant with their fourth child Greg panicked, but a focus on the family counselor put everything into perspective.

He said, the first thing you need to realize if kids are a blessing, or all of the

blessing, that their gifts from God, and the second thing you said was, kids value

relationships, not stuff. Greg and his wife found the encouragement they needed and today they have a happy thriving family of seven children.

We have been really influenced by the culture and by just the kind of overall negativity about kids and to hear from someone, you know,

just godly truth that kids are special, that they're wanted and that they're a blessing was huge to us.

I'm Jim Daly and we love kids.

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As our kids have grown up and mostly left the nest,

Dina and I have really found some time to have fun together.

In fact, one of my kids said, gee, your Instagram feed has a bunch of pictures of you and mom just out

doing stuff like camping for a week.

It sounds like you're empty nesting with a vengeance.

And I said, yeah, you're right.

I'm John Fuller along with my friends and focused colleagues, Greg and Aaron Smalley and

Aaron during those early years of parenting, it's not so much fun together.

It's a lot of divide and conquer, it's a lot of divide and conquer it's a lot of you know take

care of this and that how do you make the marriage a priority as a mom with

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