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Today I speak with Vicky Robin.

Vicky is the co-author of the national bestseller,

Your Money or Your Life,

along with the late Joe Dominguez, called the Profit of Consumption Downsizers by the New York Times.

Vicky has lectured worldwide on the subjects of reducing consumption and achieving financial independence.

I spoke with Vicky about how limits relate to freedom, what constitutes genuine fulfillment,

and what financial independence really means.

Vicky, the 10th anniversary edition of Your Money or Your Life has come out this year.

And I know that one of the key concepts

is this idea of financial independence.

What does that actually mean to you,

financial independence? Thanks for the question.

Financial independence can mean.

I mean in most people's minds it means I can actually live the most expansive life I want to and I will never have to worry about

money again.

And so, you know, it could actually we have same image of like it's a gazillion

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