Finally We’re Talking About Zagreus, Are You Happy? The Orphic Thrice Born Dionysus

Let's Talk About Myths, Baby! Greek & Roman Mythology Retold

Liv Albert

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🗓️ 6 September 2022

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Zagreus, Zagreus, Zagreus. What a mess of a story. It's gross, it's weird, it's both an afterthought and supremely important. Welcome to the story of thrice born Dionysus, better known as Zagreus.

CW/TW: **this episode includes particularly egregious assault and incest, even for Greek myth** far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.

Sources: Early Greek Myths by Timothy Gantz; Nonnus' Dionysiaca, translated by William Henry Denham Rouse. Further reading: Orphic Tradition and the Birth of the Gods by Dwayne A. Meisner; The “Orphic” Gold Tablets and Greek Religion, Radcliffe G. Edmonds III; The Orphic Hymns, translated by Apostolos N. Athanassakis and Benjamin M. Wolkow. See last week's episode for even more Orphic sources.

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0:00.0	The prophecy safe, Femble Winter leads the Ragnaroth. Time is running out.
0:18.0	In moments of crisis, panic feels nothing.
0:22.0	My story doesn't end hiding in these woods. I should be out there finding out who I am.
0:27.0	I will not allow you to be confined with God.
0:30.0	Stop thinking like a father for a moment and start thinking like a general rat.
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1:35.0	Oh hi, hello. How's it going?
1:39.0	This is Let's Talk About Myths Baby. And I'm your host.
1:44.0	She who absolutely loves to cause herself grief when picking topics for the podcast.
1:51.0	Live.
1:53.0	Yes, yes, yes, yes. Today's episode is a bit more grief though considerably less than my attempts to explain the orphictra edition.
2:03.0	Do you all holy fucking fuck the realm of warfaces confusing and hotly debated and gods help me difficult to explain in any kind of coherent and interesting way.
2:14.0	Let alone in a way that feels like I've covered everything that's important and that everyone debates and that scholars.
2:21.0	Oh, I don't even I don't even know what you guys think of it.
2:25.0	Interesting. Fascinating.
2:27.0	Boring as fuck. Confusing as fuck.
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