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Past Present Future

Films of Ideas extra: The Designated Mourner

Past Present Future

D&HR Media Ltd

Politics, News, Philosophy, Society & Culture, History

4.7747 Ratings

🗓️ 4 January 2026

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

An extra episode to accompany our Films of Ideas series: David explores The Designated Mourner by Wallace Shawn, the writer and co-star of My Dinner with Andre. How did a play first performed in 1996 turn into a prophetic text for our times? How was it shaped by Shawn’s experiences in Central America and his view of Reagan’s America? What makes it one of the greatest of all contemporary political fictions? Next time – Now & Then with Robert Saunders: Home Rule for Ireland! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:35.3

Hello, my name's David Rundsenman and this is past-present future, the History of Ideas podcast.

0:36.5

Welcome to 2026, whatever it may bring. Happy New

0:40.3

Year. Our first episode of the year is an addendum, a coda, to our Films of Ideas series. A one-off

0:48.4

episode about a play and a film, essentially a piece of writing, that was mentioned in the episode I recorded

0:55.3

with Lee Hall about my dinner with Andre, written by Wallace Sean. And Lee Hall mentioned

1:02.2

Wallace Sean's play, The Designated Mourna, as one of the great political fictions of our time.

1:08.9

It is one of the great works of literature of our time,

1:13.0

and it is extremely eerie to read it in 2026. I'm going to try and explain why.

1:45.6

Wallace-Shorn is an unusual figure in the arts, if that's the word to use, because as he himself said in an interview he gave in the Guardian a few years ago, he makes his living acting toy animals in the sense that he's the voice of Rex the dinosaur in Toy Story.

1:48.4

He's a comic actor.

1:50.5

He is a cameo actor in the sense.

1:52.6

He's best known for sometimes scene stealing little performances in bigger films, and particularly

1:59.4

known for his appearance. He looks a little bit like a toy

2:03.6

animal. He's the teacher in Clueless. He's in the Princess Bride. His first screen appearance,

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