Filmmaker Matt Shakman on introducing ‘The Fantastic Four’ to the MCU

The Treatment

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🗓️ 9 August 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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This week on The Treatment, Elvis speaks with director Matt Shakman about his newest Marvel Cinematic Universe project, The Fantastic Four: First Steps. Then, Pee-wee as Himself director Matt Wolf stops by to discuss his Emmy-nominated HBO documentary about the late actor Paul Reubens. And on the Treat, director Eli Roth pays tribute to his late mentor.

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0:00.0	From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.
0:14.3	It's the treatment, but you can also hear at KCRW.com slash the treatment.
0:19.1	What do Kerry Washington, Lawrence Fishper, and Bill Murray all have in
0:23.2	common? At one point I would know that they were all in the dramatization of the world's greatest
0:27.1	comic magazine, Fantastic Four, the director of the Fantastic Four film that is now in theaters.
0:34.7	What's the actual title of Matt?
0:36.2	Fantastic Four First Steps. It's director, Matt Jackvis here. We know him, of course, for Wanda Vision. As an actor,
0:42.3	we know him, too. And what's interesting is at some point, these things are all about
0:47.3	performance and about perception. Now, WandaVision, all that comes from Wanda in the
0:52.3	vision and the comics. But I want to ask you about that, because there's something about self-awareness
0:57.2	that runs through everything you've done as a director.
1:00.2	That's so interesting.
1:01.5	Yeah, I wish I had self-awareness about myself.
1:05.3	Definitely tried to do it in what I make.
1:07.8	Yeah, I mean, Wanda Vision was all about a construct.
1:13.4	You know, she had made a sitcom reality to deal with grief. And in a way, we were building a different kind of construct here. We were building a
1:17.6	whole new retro future universe where these people could live. And so, yeah, we were trying to
1:23.5	figure out how this wonderful family could come to life and how we could make them feel as real as possible.
1:29.5	Wondervision and this had this one thing in common. It's about death of self and rebirth.
1:33.6	Yeah, it's true. They go up one thing, and they come back completely another, right? It's about transformation.
1:39.3	Certainly part of the core mythology of Marvel is this idea of rebirth, and they are. And then the choice is up to you.
1:46.6	What do you do with your new powers? And they choose to do good. And then this is also literally about birth,
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