FILICIDE: Lindsay Clancy and Lori Vallow Daybell. What leads a mother to kill her children?

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🗓️ 7 February 2023

⏱️ 58 minutes

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This was recorded during our Hidden Hour LIVE SHOW on our YouTube channel: Hidden True Crime on February 3, 2023. Each Friday night our Hidden Gems can ask our host--forensic psychologist Dr. John Matthias--questions. A Massachusetts community is in shock when a seemingly wonderful mother--Lindsay Clancy--is charged with strangling her three children. Another mother--Lori Vallow Daybell--is set for trial this April after being charged in the deaths of her two children--Tylee Ryan and JJ Vallow. What is filicide? Why do mothers kill? How does this happen? What is the difference between these two women and their alleged crimes? NOTE: If you are thinking of harming yourself or a child, call 911 or your local emergency number. The National Maternal Mental Health Hotline: 1-833-9-HELP4MOMS (1-833-943-5746) provides access to trained counselors and resources 24 hours a day, 7 days a week in 60 languages. HIDDEN: A TRUE CRIME PODCAST is: CRIMINAL PSYCHOLOGY REINVENTED. Join a forensic psychologist and journalist (who happen to be husband and wife) on a journey into the darkest recesses of the human mind and the unconscious motivations that drive human behaviors in order to understand the world and ourselves. Subscribe for Friday night lives, psychological analysis, and insider interviews for an in depth look at crimes. DR. JOHN MATTHIAS is a licensed clinical and forensic psychologist with 30 years’ experience in both clinical and forensic work. He serves as an expert witness for the federal government and has consulted on numerous high-profile cases for District Attorney’s offices and defense attorneys in several states. In the forensic area, Dr. Matthias has developed expertise in personality assessments, hidden behavioral motivations, complex trauma and criminal psychology. In the clinical realm, he has worked with numerous victims. He received his Master’s degree in Marriage, Family and Child counseling, as well his doctorate degree, from the University of Southern California. Dr. Matthias graduated with honors in philosophy from Princeton University, and he won the prestigious McCosh Thesis prize while there. In high school he graduated valedictorian from a large public high school in Chicago where he was chosen to participate in a ground-breaking valedictory study that continues to this day. Dr. Matthias has been an adjunct assistant professor in the University of Nevada Las Vegas clinical psychology doctoral program since 2007. He supervises UNLV doctoral students on forensic assessments, clinical case formulation, and various therapeutic approaches to clinical work. LAUREN MATTHIAS has worked as an anchor and reporter for ABC, NBC, and FOX News in East Idaho, Boise, and Salt Lake City, Utah. She spent a decade reporting on a diverse range of topics from high profile crimes to Presidential visits. Most recently, she reported for Salt Lake City’s ABC affiliate News4Utah. In 2015 she received the Idaho State Broadcaster’s Association Best Reporter award. She left the reporting world to produce the Hidden True Crime Podcast along with her husband Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist. Your support helps us produce these podcasts/videos. We have some big plans to explore the true crime terrain in a way that no one else has attempted. WEBSITE: https://hiddentruecrime.com/ TO SUPPORT: https://www.patreon.com/hiddentruecrime https://paypal.me/hiddentruecrime https://cash.app/$hiddenTruecrime Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Our Sponsors:* Check out Acorns: https://acorns.com/HIDDENTRUECRIME* Check out Acorns: https://acorns.com/HIDDENTRUECRIME* Check out Armoire and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: https://www.armoire.style* Check out Effecty and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: https://www.effecty.com* Check out Happy Mammoth and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: https://happymammoth.comSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/hidden-a-true-crime-podcast1836/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	We are going to be discussing a sensitive topic, so I want to tell people beforehand, we are going to be talking about Phylliside.
0:09.0	I always have questions for Dr. John about Phylliside, clearly we have been covering the daybell case from the very beginning and we plan to cover the trial in April, and that's also a case of Phylliside, a mother taking her children's lives.
0:25.0	I want to say that up front, the reason that this came up was because of a case many of you know about that happened just last month where three young children were killed by their mother.
0:40.0	Why don't I share the summary of this case and we'll go from there, we have some great questions and we'll start.
0:49.0	For those that are not as familiar with the case out of Massachusetts, it was the evening of January 24th and police arrived at a home in Ducksbury, Massachusetts.
1:01.0	It's about 30 miles outside of Boston, Patrick Clancy called 911 because his wife had tried to commit suicide by jumping out of a second story window of their house.
1:14.0	Some media reports implied that she had she had slashes on her wrists and neck, but I've only read that in a couple of places.
1:21.0	32 year old Lindsay Clancy, a labor and delivery nurse who is on leave from work and her husband Patrick was attending to her and their young children.
1:30.0	He left only briefly to pick up some takeout for dinner while 32 year old Lindsay Clancy, a mother of three and this labor delivery nurse survived the suicide attempt.
1:41.0	She survived at their Cape Cod style home, they found the couples, three young children, five year old Cora, three year old Dawson and eight month old Callan, unresponsive.
1:51.0	Lindsay is now charged with strangling all three of her children before attempting to take her own life.
1:58.0	She is charged with two counts of homicide.
2:01.0	She's yet to have been charged in count death. That's the youngest, the eight month old, but he survived for two days before coming to his injuries, so she's been charged right now with two counts of homicide.
2:14.0	While I was horrified when I learned about this the day after the morning after it happened, as the days went on and more has come out, this case started to affect me and I had to ask Dr. John, Dr. Babe.
2:30.0	I read the GoFundMe to John. Was it last week, John? When was it and earlier this week?
2:39.0	It was earlier this week. It's been a long week. I was earlier this week and I got emotional reading it to John reading the words of Lindsay's husband Patrick.
2:49.0	It was written just days after losing this children and I'm going to read some of that here. I feel like we need to share this before talking about this case.
2:58.0	This is written by Patrick Clancy, Lindsay's husband and the father of the three children he lost on January 28th. That would be four days after he lost his three children.
3:12.0	A lot of people have said they can't imagine and they're right. There's absolutely nothing that can prepare you.
3:18.0	The shock and pain is excruciating and relentless. I'm constantly reminded of them and with the little sleep I get, I dream about them on repeat.
3:27.0	Every parent knows it's impossible to understand how much you will love your kids until you have them. The same goes for the devastation of losing them. They were the essence of my life and I am lost without them.
3:40.0	My family was the best thing that ever happened to me. I took so much pride in being Lindsay's husband and a dad to Cora Dawson and Callan.
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